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 5/9/2007 4:36:46 PM
BillZebub
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David Lynch
When I first started college I was hanging out with a girl and she asked if I would watch a movie with her.  I thought it was going to be a different experience, lol - she made me watch Blue Velvet and she was explaining things about it.  She found out about the movie because her friend, who was a film student, was assigned that movie for homework or research.  At the time I was mostly bored. 

My next movie, years later,  was Mullhollnad Drive, and I fell asleep several times.  All attempts to re-watch it failed.  I felt like a total idiot because I didn't understand anything.

I decided to watch Blue Velvet again, 2 years ago.  I had read a few books about cinematography so I felt I was better able to understand Lynch, plus I was older.

Well, I loved Blue Velvet, but I noticed that Lynch broke a lot of rules that I had been learning.  One of the things that I noticed was that when there were close-ups, they usually did not match the action of the actor in the previous, or next, shot.  For example, when Dennis H, is calling another character "smooth" - he and that character are in the shot (a 2-shot).  When we see a close-up of the "smooth" character, he's not making the same facial expressions or behaving the same way.  But that inconsistency wasn't jarring - I only saw it because I was looking at the movie as a "how to" guide, more or less.  At first I thought that it was just the old way of shooting - the director would have the actors do the full scene in a larger shot (the 2-shot) and then he would shoot the close-ups separately and hoped they matched, but if they didn't match, big deal.  But then i saw a sequence of the protagonist walking down a flight of stairs, and each new shot was NOT a match of the previous.  Again, as a casual observer, you wouldn't notice this, and it's a great testament to GESTALT psychology.  But I was beginning to think that Lynch was doing that on purpose. 

When I saw "Lost Highway" I was in awe.  Very creepy stuff, and very perplexing. I'm still very confused by it, but I liked how well it created certain creepy atmospheres.

So I am wondering what you think of Lynch.  Do you think he's talented, or pretentious? 
 5/9/2007 8:32:41 PM
Jewsef Mengele
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Re: David Lynch
Ive seen alot of Lynch's movies.  I liked Eraserhead, Wild at Heart and Twin Peaks:Firewalk With Me. Lost Highway, I saw this when I was young. I liked it then but now it seems too Hot Topicy. Lots of fat, goth, highschool girls would find it clever. It's weird just for the sake of being weird.  Eraserhead was too. Actually all of them are.  Wild at Heart does it best in the interest of story telling but the others it gets kind of tedious. I geuss he's talented in a sense.  When its good its real good, when its bad its fucking awful.  But, the thing is I like shitty movies.  Pink Flamingos, every Herchell Gordon Lewis film, and Tetsuo: The Iron Man.  Tetsuo...I bet the guy that made that was heavily influeced by Eraserhead.  If you thought Lost highway was confusing watch fucking Twin Peaks.  Now THAT'S confusing, and creepy.  The movie and the series.
 10/8/2007 2:04:00 PM
roy
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Re: David Lynch

My brother first got me into David Lynch, though I have only seen Blue Velvet, Lost Highway and parts of the Twin Peaks series. I think if there is anyone who understands his movies, they are either lying and full of shit, or had something to do with making it with him. At any rate, Lost Highway is confusing and totally creepy, but very different and interesting. I did not like it the first time I saw it, but watched it a couple years ago and enjoyed it alot, even though I didn't know what the fuck was going on.

Blue Velvet is fucking awesome. This movie was so different and fucked up from anythintg I had seen when I first watched it, it blew mw away. Everytime I watch it I like it even more, but I try to spread my viewings apart so I can forget things about it and parts of it's uniqueness. I think is what also appeals to me about Lost Highway. And I think this is what attarcts people to his movies, they are so wierd and far out there. I think he knows what he's doing and is breaking molds because most everything has been done. He might be a little pretentious, but maybe he's just as fucking insane as his movies.

 10/19/2007 1:21:09 PM
roy
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Re: David Lynch
I just found out David Lynch is a jew. I read in a newspaper article that he visited Israel recently and was lauded as one of contemporary times best and most creative artists. He got some award for being the best jewish filmaker in the last decade, or century, or some shit like that.
 10/19/2007 2:12:53 PM
BillZebub
221 posts
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Re: David Lynch
I don't care what his nationality is.  Interesting people draw me to their work (orn to themselves).  The only time I really note nationality and stuff like that is when someone acts in a stereotypical manner.  I think I may have noted on these boards that sometimes I actually behave in my own stereotype - sometimes it's beneficial for me to be perceived as a "dumb metalhead." 

But anyway, when I look at a Lynch movie the last thing on my mind is what nationality he is.  Someone said to me that Rob Zombie is super jewish and that he loads his movies with jews - like all the girls in Halloween are jews.  Well, he can cast who he wants.  If I had a big budget, I surely wouldn't be against hiring as many Czech actors as possible.  I think that the only time I really notice racial stuff is the artificial "multicultural" agenda - you know, making the black character the only smart person in the group, even though he speaks in ebonics and wears ghetto clothes, or when romantic couples are racially mixed.  I can see how stuff like that might have appeared for shock value.  Whatever the real motives are for things like that, the "multicultural" usage seems to be very fake, very contrived, and manipulative.  The only kind of manipulation I want is for the director to suspend my disbelief and for me to be unaware of myself for the duration of the movie.  Socio-political manipulation is something I don't want to be subjected to, although I eventually saw Mel Gibson's "Passion" (purely for the cinematogrpahy lessons). 

If a movie is not propaganda then I really don't care who is making it, and when I admire people, I admire the individual, not the group he/she belongs to.
 10/20/2007 2:09:36 AM
Jewsef Mengele
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Re: David Lynch
HAHA Even though you write this huge disclaimer on the first page of your mag and site, about how you're not a nazi and how you just touch on racism for comedic purposes only, people still expect you to be turned off something because of looks or nationality! I'm not making fun of the last post. I've been guilty of ignoring Bill's disclaimer. I remember being constantly suprised by glowing reviews of bands that didn't fit the Metal Monster criteria of long hair and no keyboards 'Bloodthorn", Korova, Gloomy Grim. I almost wished Bill was more of an asshole. I remember braccing myself before making my first post, thinking Bill was gonna pick apart everything I said. I was almost dissapointed when he didn't! HAHAH  Bill is the most open minded bastard on the planet.  I've checked out so many different kinds of music (and become a fan of bands) that I never would have given the time of day(like the afformentioned bands) and movies since I've been reading The Grimoire the past couple years.  Metal and movies would be boring if the only ones I watched or listened to were those of white Americans.  HA! Like I said before, I'm not making fun of Roy. Know what? I braced myself for Bill's reaction when I posted the thread about Ingmar Bergman. AHHAHAHA I thought he would make fun of how jewish the name Bergman is HAHAHA! Even though I read the disclaimers, I catch myself thinking that he's serious.
 10/23/2007 9:42:38 PM
roy
44 posts


Re: David Lynch
Not trying to re-neg on my post or sound like a pussy, but I was not trying to be slanderous of david Lynch. I was just writing about the article in the newspaper I read. For me as well, the last thing I thought of when watching his movies was his ethnic or whatever background. And because I just now found out that he is a jew does not change my opinion that he is indeed a unique and gifted filmaker. The fact that he is jewish will not now stop me from watching his movies in the future or anything like that. I'm just sayin'...he's a jew.
 10/24/2007 1:14:03 PM
BillZebub
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Re: David Lynch
Just putting things in perspective - have no fear. 

You are totally living up to the spirit of a "forum" (something is presented in a post, and then people react to what was posted).
 10/29/2007 3:27:45 PM
roy
44 posts


Re: David Lynch
Indeed.
 2/22/2008 5:42:36 PM
roy
44 posts


Re: David Lynch

I finally got around to watching eraserhead over the weekend. Thats a weird fucking movie.

 2/22/2008 7:19:20 PM
BillZebub
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Re: David Lynch

It took me MANY sessions to get through that movie.  I don't particularly like it.  I guess I have to be in the mood.  Another thing is that I really don't like black and white movies other than Laurel & Hardy stuff. 

I liked how some scenes created moods, but there really wasn't anything about the movie that grabbed me.

 

I tried to enjoy Inland Empire but that also took me many sessions to complete it.  I don't think I liked a single thing about it.  Actually, there were a few times I wanted to punch the actress in the face, ha ha.  Very annoying.

 

The thing that I noticed in a lot of David Lynch movies is the abundance of corny dialogue.  If an unknown directors used that, you can be sure he/she would be mericilessly insulted by critics.  I appreciate some of his work, and I like how he ignores some sensibilities or rules.  But I don't think that he is a genius and I don't think that he's especially brilliant.  He's different, but sometimes too "consciously" different.  I'm more into people who are different because that's really what they are - it's not something that they "try" to be.

 2/25/2008 4:10:25 PM
roy
44 posts


Re: David Lynch

I agree. It seems that he goes out of his way to create wierd and different shit in his movies. Eraserhead, besides being weird, was fucking boring and I ended up fast-forwarding through much of it. The imagery was kinda cool. I like the surrealism. Have not tried Inland Empire though.

 2/26/2008 6:22:07 PM
BillZebub
221 posts
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Re: David Lynch

I didn't fast-forward through Eraserhead - it just took me several attempts to watch the whole thing.  A lot of the time I was thinking to myself that I was too uneducated to understand what I was seeing.  So I was trying really hard to find something that I could grasp.   But the things that I was able to discern were attempts at setting a mood - I'm not sure if that was the intention of Lynch. 

 

From what I can remember, Lynch doesn't really explain his movies.  I rather like that.  I never investigated further.  Why?  Because I don't want to make a viewer feel the way that I felt when I watched Eraserhead.

 

I was told that Lynch is an artist and that every shot is supposed to be like a painting.  For some reason I swallowed that statement whole.  Later on I saw the source (sort of an "extra" on a DVD) and I have to remind myself to punch that asshole in the face (the guy who made that statement as if it were his own).  First of all, Lynch is not what I call an "artist."  When he lets ants crawl onto his painting, die on the painting, and remain on the painting, that's just someone fucking around.  I foolishly took some painting classes in college and had to suffer under the teachings of a total twat.  She hardly paid any attention to the students, preferring instead to splatter paint on a huge canvas and then spend 10 minutes admiring the random splotches, appearing very much to just be begging for attention instread of really creating something.  I confronted her one day and I told her that I really would appreciate learning how to paint what I see - even something as simple as an apple.  She rather snobbishly told me that the skills I was seeking were not "art" - they were "illustration."  She said "anybody can paint an object."  I asked her if she ever painted an object- I really wanted to see her paint something other than total crap.  Because of that showdown I quit the class. Yeah right - that's not art.  That's why DaVinci  made perfect sketches of the human form. He wasn't an artist.  he was an illustrator.  (that was sarcasm).  Anyway, the only paintings I ever saw that were the handiwork of Lynch were splotches.  Now getting back to the point of "every shot is like a painting" - fuck you.  A painting has composition.  So does a shot in a movie.  Lynch is using actors, not random paint splotches and not ants (well, maybe ants in Blue Velvet).  In a painting, the composition is about objects.  Movies have another dimension - movement.  So when someone moves, that movement can be considered a kind of object if you imagine an exaggerated blur between start and stop.  Splotches on a canvas can't translate into ability to compose a shot.  Fuck you.

 

The people I know who love Lynch give me the impression that they love his movies because they get bragging rights.  It's prestigious to love and (pretend to ) understand.  But what I do like about Lynch as a person is that he only took one formal class in film, if his biography can be believed.  I love some of the moods, like the creepiness of LOST HIGHWAY, but I really hate the ultra gay pretentious dialogue (that would be called "corny" if any beginning director used drivel like that) in some of his movies.  I think what burns me is the prentiousness, or the appearance of pretentiousness.  I feel that some of the material is contrived almost as a private joke against the world, and part of me feels that Lynch laughs when he reads reviews that exalt him.  I see the word "genius" being used a lot.  Maybe "charlatan" would be a better choice.

 

well, sorry for the rant.  I am, believe it or not, a fan of Lynch.  But I am not a bind fan.

 2/27/2008 6:31:00 PM
roy
44 posts


Re: David Lynch

I can see the pretentiousness aspect of his movies, and even more so of people who are rabid fans and/or claim to find some kind of understanding beyond what he shows the viewer. He does create very atmospheric and creepy moods, which can be interesting and I think he does this well.

But I also agree about the composition of movement in a film. Especially in Eraserhead, when there are super long shots of that fag sitting in his room, not doing anything, just sitting, close-up on his head. I mean, what the fuck? That's why I had to fast forward through much of it. Also, I get impatient. If I wanted to "watch" a black white image that was not moving, I'd fucking look at photography, and even photography can capture movement masterfully and beautifully. But I am watching a movie...There was some interesting depth of composition in eraserhead that I think can (in some cases) only be accomplished in black and white. I'm sure I'll give it another try one of these days. Probably in a couple years when I forget how boring it was.

I've also taken some art clases, one of which was painting. I wouldn't call it fooloishly. I think it depends on the teacher, Mine actually taught how to paint still lives and compose the view of a painting and all that other artsy faggot shit. Anyways, saying that being able to render something realistically is not art is dumb...obtuse, almost and shares that same kind of pretentiousness. That they know what art is because they have "professional" training in art and teach it. Fuck those assholes. The same way it's also generalized to say splotches are not art, I mean, yeah, most of that crap sucks, but just cause we don't understand it doesn't mean it's not good...wait, maybe it does. In fact, most of the time thats exactly what it means. It's just harder to pull off well.

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